Anonymous
map-marker Victoria, British Columbia

Unfortunately I did not read the s..cam articles

I signeup to gain knowledge how to acquire tax lien certificates and one main reason ws that thy would facilitate the opening of a goernment health insurance program for my US Company. I paid a lot for their mentoring system, however I was then informed I would again have to pay over 1000$ for this progam, which was suppost to be included in their fee. I attended one of their expensive seminars in Scottsdale Arizona, where I had a serios trip and fall accident. I was and still am suffering serious pain. The pain prevented me from further involvement with UStaxlien Association. Then I became aware of all the legal problems the owners and founders had. So many of their clients did not achieve satisfactory results. Neither did I but I learned an very expensive lesson. Now before I undertake anything I google the name adda space and write s p a m. Whatever kind of information is made available has to be counterchcked. This has contributed for me not getting ripped off again
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User's recommendation: Research Company, founders, directors and BBB. I have proof of purchase somewhere, however due to vision challenge I do not have easy access to my files

Quaid Vni

SCAMMED

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I bought the $997 course. Was said that it would be in my email in less than 30min. Three days passed nothing. So I reached out to find out whats the hold up. They said that they sent it and its in my email. But it wasnt. Then I requested a refund just for me to get it after 6months!!! Now I got the refund check just for it to be fake and bounce back in my bank. Like I said. You will know karma.
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Preferred solution: Full refund

Ilspbeth B

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This was a great website and great videos with lots of good information. I guess ppl want to blame others when things dont end up like they think they should.

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He actually gives very good information. He isnt telling you anything you cnat find out for your self if you look up your tax law in each state.

He is actually talking about not keeping the property he is talking about the 18% interest that you make while you pay for someones back property taxes to when they catch you up and have to pay you for keeping their property from forclosure. He tells you that yes there is the chance that someone just walks away and you own the property but that only happens about 5% of the time. He is very informative and very truthful about what they do. I didnt invest anything all i did was just listen to his first free videos and I know that its not something that I can do He even tells you that its NOT for just a single person to make money.

It takes alot of capital before hand especially if you end up with a property that you didnt plan on having. If i had a couple thousand to start with i would definitley be trying to make some free money. You dont even have to do anything to the properties. you pay the back tax and then just wait for them to pay it up and pay you the interest percent on your money.

If you paid to go to a sceminar you didnt pay enough attention to the FREE videos that he has online.

I got soooo much just from that. So I give 5 stars and I didnt spend any money i just paid attention to what he was saying instead of just thinking about alot of money for not much work.

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Pros:
  • Great way to make money if you have money
Cons:
  • You have to have money first

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User's recommendation: LIsten Listen Listen!!!!!!!

Robert R Pip

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Personal experience

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If you can't do the time, don't spend the dime. A lot of research is required which will become second hand. Show me where you are getting 8% or more on your money.
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User's recommendation: Make sure that you can commit the time. There is no magic money faucet to turn on. It takes work. Can you handle it?

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Guest

I agree! Nothing is free. The first modules are just to give you an idea of what you could accomplish, not a guarantee.

Anonymous

Very poor

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Just trying to get you we no reel info don't even go that way, as i asked my self if its so good why are they giving it away, I think all people that spoke about their success was paid by ustle to say so.
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Guest

IMO, The person who wrote this review seems to ignorant to comprehend the subject matter & would be unable to use it to its full potential.

Anonymous

Useless 3 day course

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3 day course is 75% sales and 25% information. Super general information with no details. Most of the seminar are just past students talking about how successful they are. The other part is just how cheap they got properties for compared to how much theyre worth. High pressure sales tactics. Dont waste your time.
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User's recommendation: Don’t attend and don’t buy anything more. Save your money and time.

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Guest

Steve Wyman aka Stephen Wayne Wyman has been an independent contracted sales speaker for years peddling all sorts of the same scam. He is no expert, reads and memorizes scripts.

He currently works for ustla. He worked for National Grants Conferences about 2000-**** aka they were the company contracted to sale the scam by proven scam company Trump University. Speakers from these companies cycle through them as they get shut down one after the other.

Don’t buy stuff from Steve Wyman and don’t trust his linked in. He is a {{Redacted}}, liar and con artist.

Lynda B Lpj
map-marker Orlando, Florida

Perspective from a USTLA student - now RE investor

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I have attended the USTLA tax lien & deed training. The 3-day training is very comprehensive and intensive. They don't leave many stones unturned. What you receive in the 3-day is all the tools you need to get started and succeed. However, if you choose, you may invest in additional training where you have one year of training support to guide you along they way and access to the company's leaders. Based on the training, I purchased and sold deeds. Despite having very little personally to invest I doubled my investment on each RE transaction. I know of no other vehicle that would provide that kind of return without massive potential risks. And yes, there are risks with RE investments also if you don't know what you're doing. IF you can follow instructions well, you can do well. Everything they show you in the training, I have found to be true when I started doing the research and actively investing.
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Pros:
  • Presentation very professionally done
  • Excellent level of training
  • Presentation in a very engaging manner
Cons:
  • Amount of information can be overwhelming for some people
Reason of review:
Good quality
2 comments
Guest

Which of the program did you take?

Stepan Fsf
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Please let me know more detailed expreince

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Steve B Ehh
map-marker Euless, Texas

Receiving my refund

Attended the free evening meeting at the Hilton Garden Inn in Fort Worth, Tx on August 14, 2019 and paid for the $1497 fee for a $4000 value if I did not pay that day. I did not realize this was just an initial fee. I studied the CDs and was preparing to attend the 3 day seminar at The Marriott in Euless,Tx on September 5-7th, and googled reviews from several other consumers and their experiences with the US Tax Lien Association. I became extremely disturbed especially when I read that students were paying $28,000 for their second investment for additional training. I decided not to attend the 3 day seminar. We were told that if we were not satisfied with the process or program we could receive a full refund. I am contacting my credit card company today. If you have other suggestions to receive a refund, I appreciate your comments. Thank You Steve Bailey
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What do they give you for the additional $28,000?

Anonymous
map-marker Minneapolis, Minnesota

Didn't know about the extra $28,000!

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I attended a free event by this group yesterday, and of course, was offered the $1,500 for three days deal. I didn't know about the $28,000 to go beyond the three days, but it doesn't surprise me that much, because for years other companies/groups/whatever have been doing the same thing. For the $1,500, supposedly, you can keep retaking the three-day seminars for a lifetimes, so what does the extra $28,000 get you?
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Anonymous
map-marker Lawrence, Kansas

CPA. With investment experience

After attending a 3 day training session which i paid 1500 for and after experiencing daily sales pitches for upgrades i came to the conclusion that these guys have a great business plan. FOR Themselves. They essentially are training analysts discuised as independent contractors for their own company. This was evident when they offered to "partner up with students with the right deal" which means that they will finance the deal for 50-70% of the profit! So they are training thousands of students in which they will benefit from their work without having to pay them. The alternative for them is to hire employees, pay for their training, incur payroll and facility costs. What makes their plan so good for them is they dont incur any of those costs. In fact, the the " students" pay them. Aint america great. Plus they push further training (so you can become a super agent" for up to 35k. What a plan. In fact this is a big revenue producer for them as evidenced by the fact they receive bonus if they sell the most advanced training as confessed by one of their people. So you conbine the training revenue with the financing revenue you have a neat plan. They are so hungry to make the education sale that if you dont have the cash they will take your car So tax lien philosophy is legitimate but beware of this approach
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Guest

This is the best review I’ve seen. Very smart assessment and accurate.

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Well, I'm praying right now that Sean will agree to partner with me when I present a deal I have at one of the tax sale auctions. If he accepts, it would be a true blessing for me.

I have no money to start, and I just remembered that he said that about the possibility of partnering with students if the deal is good.

I believe in them, they're good people, and yes, we all want money, it's nothing wrong with that. They make money, and we can also make money.

Guest

Never mind the sales pitches, has anyone tried it? Does it work?

Guest
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It works if you do the work.

Guest

I really appreciate your comment. I am not planning to attend. Thanks

Guest

I attended the three tax lien crash course and I am in my due diligence phase to determine if I will pursue the basic course or not.

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Tony M Jgw

Practical training from someone who's been in the industry.

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I purchased Saen's training (USTLA) in 2009; After taking the training and additional courses I purchased my first property in 2011, which i am successfully managing to this day. I have also taken additional trainings with the founders of USTLA providing a little more access to them. I find Saen extremely generous who continues to provide excellent training and feedback. This type of business is not for everyone, however anyone can do it. It's very competitive and takes a realistic approach. From my experience if i have a perfect expectation of an outcome... it always-in some way- is different than what i expected. You have to be creative and a good problem solver - if you are not willing to accept setbacks with your successes then this is industry of tax sales certainly not for you.
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  • Information and systems in place for mentoring-coaching
  • Having the student be accountable for their success
  • Positive attitude and encouragement
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Anonymous

Grow up and put on your big boy pants

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My wife and I are currently attending the three day training course. This is our second time through.

In 2015 we attended our first seminar and did not purchase one of the larger mentor packages. The reason we didn't purchase was simply based on economics. We didn't feel we wanted to make that large investment at the time. However, I'm reading these reviews and see the sour grapes being pressed by many who have attended the seminars and bought the mentor programs.

Here is the straight scoop. Real estate and buying tax liens and deeds is not easy. It takes a lot of work. I have a background in real estate (agent for 11 years).

My wife and I have successfully flipped 9 properties in the Phoenix market over the last 4 years. We have never lost a dime. However, margins began to shrink when the market recovered. Our last flip yielded only a $10,000 next profit.

If you are an investor, you quickly realize that is not what you want to make per project. So, we attended the first seminar to get new ideas. That is exactly what we got. Great ideas for structuring your business, QRP's, and the process of buying liens and deeds.

I will spare you all of the details but deeds were most attractive to us. We chose Wisconsin as a place to invest. We have family there and are familiar with the state. After a ton of research, we bought our first deed for $51,000.

From purchase to sale took 5 months. We invested $18,000 in rehab. It was a duplex with a renter in place. We collected $500 in rent each month and had the comfort of knowing we had someone on the property at all times.

The second story unit needed about $15,000 in additional rehab. We didn't touch it. At the end of 5 months we sold the property, using a local Realtor, to an investor. Net profit was $45.178.

Based on that success we currently have 2 other properties in Wisconsin that are undergoing rehab. We are obviously not guaranteed a big return but are very happy with the progress. We have traveled to check the properties and, as the course suggests, relied heavily on local Realtors. For us it has worked out very well.

However, if you are not going to really commit to this endeavor save your money and time. Because without that commitment, you be typing sour grapes letters like many of the others on this site.

Good luck! It's a heck of a lot of fun too.

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Guest

So why three stars only? .glad u made some money .....Your experience sounds pretty much like it met expectations and your first deal was a good one....what would five stars look like?

Guest

So, kind of confused. Was this a purchase of a tax lien certificate or straight out R.E. purchase?

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If you read it's a tax deed not a lien two different animals ...liens are great for getting intrest on your investment since 95% of the time they get redeemed by home owner , bank , or someone who has great I,treat in keeping the property ....tax deeds are deeds to the property ...they cost you more out of pocket but better chance of getting a property

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how much you paid for the mentor programs?

Guest
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They have 3 different mentorship I can't say how much each are but they are not cheap in any way ...but if you really want to hit the ground running their top one has one of their mentors come out to you for 2days after first setting up a game plan with you prior ...this is a job a business your getting into ..It's not a get rich deal over night and it takes a lot of proper research to do this right or you could end up with useless proeeties due to all kind of reasons and lose money if you don't follow the proper steps ...these mentors are there to ensure your doing it right and succeed

Guest
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If you put in the time and effort and do exactly what they say, how confident are you that a person can make his/her money back within a year if they paid for a mentorship?

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Anonymous Dnd

RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!

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I paid for and attended one of their 3 day seminars. I was disappointed to find out that these seminars are simply a way for them to upsell you on some VERY expensive "Training Mentorships".

Almost the entire three days were sales pitches with s a very basic review of printed materials in between. They did indicate that ONLY positive thoughts were allowed and if you had any negativity, you would be asked to leave and not return. I am always very suspicious of people who can't tolerate an opposing viewpoint and who can't defend their position.

After all, I paid out more than $1500.00 to attend this so called seminar, the least you could do is answer my questions. Right?

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And how is your life now?

Guest

So you wrote a bad review and you haven't even tried their approach? I didn't even attend the seminar and I'm able to get started with just the info from their CDs.

I think these guys have a wealth of information and they say up front that this is not a get rich quick scheme. It's only going to work if you put in the time.

A lot of time. I am willing to do that.

Reyne Eyw

Can anyone tell me how much the seminar is and how much $$ the whole program is?

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I also went for the 3 day class and agree it was a wealth of very good information. It was well worth the money and will be taking more classes.

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I went to the same class. I learned a wealth of information.

Plus I am now successfully doing real estate deals as a full time occupation. I did notice that the people that simply could not afford the training were very disgruntled. They did not even pressure us. I felt it was there only for the people that needed it, which I thought was great.

very classy and professional staff. Thank you USTLA!

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Anonymous

Disappointing "Life Masterpiece Year-end TRAINING (my emphasis) and Success Party

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I attended their "Life Masterpiece Year-end Training & Success Party at the Green Valley Resort in Henderson, NV "at their invitation." First of all, no training or strategies were offered at this event, only a spewing of propaganda and "self care" information totally outside the expertise of "tax lien experts." When I expressed my disdain for the misinformation I was hearing that was not pertinent to the tax lien business, I was approached by an upper echelon henchman who told me I should probably go elsewhere to enjoy the rest of my day. I happily did so. The next morning I decided to give it another chance and showed up for the "general session." While standing quietly listening to the speaker I was approached by the same henchman who asked me if i was feeling better than I was yesterday. I indicated I was not interested in talking to him and preferred to listen to the speaker. He insisted I talk to him outside the room and then banned me from re-entering because "Saen Higgins didn't want me there." What?? I disclosed my disagreement to some of their propaganda and they ban me from attending the remainder of their event. On neither day did I create a scene or even speak to any of the other participants. This organization is truly a money scam. Yes, I can make money off the strategies I initially learned, but the technical support I paid thousands of dollars for is a scam. YOU CAN GET THE SAME INFO ON TAX LIENS WITHOUT PAYING THESE CROOKS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS! BEWARE OF THE U.S. TAX LIEN ASSOCIATION!! This organization is apparently run by pompous hypocrites who, after receiving your money, want nothing to do with you should you voice disagreement in their propagandizing presentations. The henchman didn't want to speak with me when I was complaining and the next day approaches me when I am minding my own business, disregards my communication that I was not interested in speaking with him as I was listening to the presenter, forces me to leave the room and then blocks my re-entry. This henchman has apparently forgotten about the power of personal endorsement...or non-endorsement. Unfortunately, they can bank on getting away with scamming others to the tune of thousands and thousands of dollars. I probably should have known after attending their Friday night "meet and greet" and mingled with a crowd of strangers who remained in their individual groups. While several obvious US Tax Lien representatives passed me and even gave me eye contact, not a single one of them made any effort to "meet" or "greet." Pitiful lack of engagement. Only SUCCESS I see at this "party" is that of Saen Higgins and his ilk scamming the public.
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Cons:
  • Dishonesty and rude and domineering way i was treated
Reason of review:
Poor customer service

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Guest

They got their up-sell pitch down. Tax Lien and Tax Deeds investment is feasible, but it is dominated by hedge funds and private equity funds now.

So if you are starting out, attending the local tax sales is a good experience, but striking it rich and making astronomical return over a few years is highly improbable. The 1/2 day free seminar is free, but designed to up-sell their 3 day seminar, if you buy that then there is an even pricer up-sell for the VIP Mastermind group.

Guest

You only mentioned the year-end party. What about the other perks of the mentorship? Was it worth it?

Guest

This was useful information

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Anonymous

Don't Fall for It!!

This information is free if you know how to research it. This same information was available in a class years ago for $700 and it is not rocket science. You are able to make money in tax liens, and you do have to have your money tied up with time. Look up classes on Udemy.com and see what you can find. There are several classes on this site and at an extremely lower price. You can also find the information from county tax assessor sites on how to get in on tax liens. Remember to own the property you will have to pay the taxes for a few cycles (could be years) if bankowned and worth it they will pay ahead of you. Good to attend the free classes for exposure to something new but DON'T SPEND THE MONEY ON THE CLASSES!!! Good Luck, with your search and learning.
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Guest

The money all these Tax Lien gurus out there want you to spend is the supposed hand-holding experience in this tax lien and tax deed investment arena, but good luck getting the mentoring and personalized guidance you expect from their lifetime benefit or VIP Mastermind upgrade.

BigK

Their phone number doesn't work

Received "special invitation" with 2 tickets for 4 events in Dallas for April 11-14, 2018 (today is 3/25). Called the number (800-571-****) to register ... found out the number is either not in service ... called a few hours later, and no tone .... then called again a few hours later and the message said "we are having technical difficulties, please call in a few hours" .... Not wasting my time ... seen too many of these schemes in the past where they sell you access to database of tax lien properties and could never find an opportunity in my county .... apparently I have only lived in counties where these opportunities are not valid .... don't fall for these silly schemes where you have to pour money in without any recourse or way to get your money back. If they believed in this system, then they would partner up with you with their own money and become millionaires. This is only for their benefit and not yours.
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Nelva Eop

Was there today, saw so many suckers lined up to buy their 3 day $1500 course.

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